{"id":6337,"date":"2022-07-19T18:52:36","date_gmt":"2022-07-19T18:52:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/pretendradio.org\/?post_type=episode&#038;p=6337"},"modified":"2023-01-03T19:27:55","modified_gmt":"2023-01-03T19:27:55","slug":"frank-abagnale-americas-favorite-con-artist-made-everything-up","status":"publish","type":"episode","link":"https:\/\/pretendradio.org\/episode\/frank-abagnale-americas-favorite-con-artist-made-everything-up\/","title":{"rendered":"Frank Abagnale\u2014America&#8217;s favorite con artist made everything up (part 2)"},"content":{"rendered":"<h1><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">Who is the real Frank Abagnale?<\/span><\/h1>\n<h3><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">Frank Abagnale claims he never scammed the little guy. Instead, his target was focused on big banks and airlines. But records tell a different story.<\/span><\/h3>\n<h3><\/h3>\n<figure id=\"attachment_6340\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-6340\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-6340\" src=\"https:\/\/pretendradio.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/FWA-collage-300x223.png\" alt=\"Frank Abagnale Doctor, Professor, Lawyer\" width=\"300\" height=\"223\" srcset=\"https:\/\/pretendradio.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/FWA-collage-300x223.png 300w, https:\/\/pretendradio.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/FWA-collage.png 559w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-6340\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Frank Abagnale Doctor, Professor, Lawyer<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<h4><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">This is part 2 of a multi-part series. To listen to <a href=\"https:\/\/pretendradio.org\/episode\/the-real-catch-me-if-you-can-part-1\/\">&#8220;The Real Catch Me If You Can &#8211; part 1&#8221;<\/a> click here.<br \/>\n<\/span><\/h4>\n<p><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">Here&#8217;s Frank Abagnale&#8217;s interview with\u00a0<\/span><a class=\"editor-rtfLink\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=A4JDlcpoA4M\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">BBC HardTalk<\/span><\/a><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">BBC Reporter:<\/span><\/strong><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">\u00a0<\/span><em><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">&#8220;Are these victimless crimes?\u00a0<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">Frank Abagnale:<\/span><\/strong><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">\u00a0<\/span><em><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">&#8220;Um, victimless as there were no individuals I ripped off for money. There were companies and banks. But in reality&#8230;I paid the money back. So there really isn&#8217;t anyone sitting out there saying they&#8217;re out the money or lost money from this crime.&#8221;<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">But we know, for a fact, that he is accused of ripping off dozens of individuals, including Paula Parks and her Frank A<\/span><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_6338\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-6338\" style=\"width: 225px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-6338 lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/pretendradio.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Screen-Shot-2022-07-19-at-2.46.48-PM-225x300.png\" alt=\"Frank Abagnale letter to the Parks family\" width=\"225\" height=\"300\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/pretendradio.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Screen-Shot-2022-07-19-at-2.46.48-PM-225x300.png 225w, https:\/\/pretendradio.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Screen-Shot-2022-07-19-at-2.46.48-PM-768x1023.png 768w, https:\/\/pretendradio.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Screen-Shot-2022-07-19-at-2.46.48-PM.png 800w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 225px) 100vw, 225px\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAAAAACH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAABAAEAAAICTAEAOw==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 225px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 225\/300;\" \/><noscript><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-6338\" src=\"https:\/\/pretendradio.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Screen-Shot-2022-07-19-at-2.46.48-PM-225x300.png\" alt=\"Frank Abagnale letter to the Parks family\" width=\"225\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/pretendradio.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Screen-Shot-2022-07-19-at-2.46.48-PM-225x300.png 225w, https:\/\/pretendradio.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Screen-Shot-2022-07-19-at-2.46.48-PM-768x1023.png 768w, https:\/\/pretendradio.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Screen-Shot-2022-07-19-at-2.46.48-PM.png 800w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 225px) 100vw, 225px\" \/><\/noscript><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-6338\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Frank Abagnale letter to the Parks family<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/blockquote>\n<p><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">Abagnale is convicted of fraud and forgery<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">After scamming the Parks&#8217; and other small businesses, Frank Abagnale Jr. sat in jail contemplating his bleak future\u2014a possible 10-year sentence in the Louisiana State Supermax Penitentiary (known as Angola).\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">But Frank Abagnale is a con artist, not a fighter. So how is he going to survive in America&#8217;s most dangerous prison? His lawyer called a hail mary. Frank Abagnale claimed insanity. As a result, the court-appointed lunacy commission held an inquisition into the mental state of young Frank. But unfortunately for Abagnale, the commission found him perfectly sane.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">They wrote, &#8220;After an examination, it is our opinion that Frank Abagnale is able to distinguish between right and wrong, is able to assist counsel in his defense, and understands the magnitude of the charges.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">On January 2, 1969, Frank Abagnale appeared before the judge and pleaded guilty to forgery and theft.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">Next stop, Angola&#8230; the Alcatraz of the south.\u00a0<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">But wait&#8230; Abagnale never stepped foot inside Angola. Instead, the judge ordered him to undergo psychiatric treatment and sentenced him to supervised probation. The judge also ordered Abagnale to return all the money he stole from his victims&#8230; including the Parks.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">According to court records, Abagnale never arrived at his first psychiatric appointment and was nowhere to be found. As a result, Frank Abagnale was on the run.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">Frank Abagnale&#8217;s victimless crimes?<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">We know that Frank Abagnale did not commit so-called victimless crimes. We have the court records to prove it.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">So, how does present-day Abagnale reflect on these times?<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">Frank Abagnale:<\/span><em><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">\u00a0<\/span><\/em><\/strong><em><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">&#8220;I think that&#8217;s why people probably are a little more willing to accept what I did. I repaid all the money many years ago.&#8221;<\/span><\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">I&#8217;ve interviewed several of Abagnale&#8217;s victims for this podcast, and none seem very forgiving. I know Paul Parks isn&#8217;t forgiving him anytime soon. Because unless the check got lost in the mail, the Parks never did get their money back. The money Abagnale swore to repay.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">These are the crimes Frank Abagnale is not so proud of. The ones he doesn&#8217;t want you to know about.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">So gather around kids&#8230; Let&#8217;s have America&#8217;s most beloved con man try to fool us one more time.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><span data-preserver-spaces=\"true\">Listen to this podcast episode on your podcast platform of choice:<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/4UquzkRVaDn1k4FOTn9Pwe?si=b6efa9b229c247d7\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-4745 sp-no-webp entered lazyloaded \" src=\"https:\/\/www.podcastinsights.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/spotify-podcast-badge-blk-grn-330x80-300x73.png\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.podcastinsights.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/spotify-podcast-badge-blk-grn-330x80-300x73.png 300w, https:\/\/www.podcastinsights.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/spotify-podcast-badge-blk-grn-330x80.png 330w\" alt=\"Listen on Spotify badge\" width=\"164\" 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