Abby Ellin didn’t know it yet, but the man she was about to marry was a compulsive liar living a double life. She was duped—hard.

In this bonus episode, we talk about her story and why she’s now obsessed with con artists.

Abby Ellin is a New York Times contributor and author of Duped: Double  Lives, False Identities and the Conman I Almost Married.

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Stick around to the end of the episode to listen to a preview of Pretend season 4.